Tegan: So, I feel optimistic and I feel things are really changing, but I still feel in some places it’s really sad and it’s still really horrible, and it gets really easy because it’s in the mainstream, it’s like, oh, Ellen’s on TV, it’s fine, the gay movement is over. We’re equal, everyone’s fine. If you can have a number one talk-show, it’s okay to be gay. It’s like, it’s really different for women than it is for men, you know? A lot of my gay guy friends, you know, have gotten beat up in the village. In Vancouver. Gay men are getting beat up in the village in Vancouver! You know, it’s like, Gaylandia! I’m just like, “what happened? How did that happen?” So, I think there have been major improvements to the condition for women and gay people in North America but there’s still these horrible, horrible sections of society that are so close-minded. It’s awful.